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Post by ACRTECHSKIER on Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:41 pm

Maliki likes the timetable for withdrawl that Obama has proposed. What do ya think? http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,566841,00.html

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Post by kareem33 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:15 pm

I think every right-winger must be tearing their hair out!!! lol

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Post by Shau - Kenshin on Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:33 pm

Why on earth do you think bush is now ready to talk about a timed pull out now?

he cant loose this to the dems... that would kill the republican party damn near in one shot!

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Post by gooch on Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:38 pm

You people are obsessed with this Obama garbage. We wanted Iraq to be a stable democracy able to fend for itself. Now that the surge has been successful and the Iraqis are chafing as a nation to be free to do as they wish, some view their request for a US withdrawal as some sort of defeat for us. We'll still have some bases there, without a doubt, but to think that things are happening because this is what Obama wanted is ludicrous. The guy's is the stillborn creation of the left wing media - they wanted the anti-Bush and now they have him... Now that I think about it, Obama is right. Let's pull out of Iraq so we can use those Arabic translators there over in Afghanistan where they are needed...what a joke this guy is.

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Post by cowpoke on Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:41 pm

kareem33 wrote:I think every right-winger must be tearing their hair out!!! lol

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Lemme get this rite!

Post by Hipelham on Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:50 pm

gooch wrote:You people are obsessed with this Obama garbage. We wanted Iraq to be a stable democracy able to fend for itself. Now that the surge has been successful and the Iraqis are chafing as a nation to be free to do as they wish, some view their request for a US withdrawal as some sort of defeat for us. We'll still have some bases there, without a doubt, but to think that things are happening because this is what Obama wanted is ludicrous. The guy's is the stillborn creation of the left wing media - they wanted the anti-Bush and now they have him... Now that I think about it, Obama is right. Let's pull out of Iraq so we can use those Arabic translators there over in Afghanistan where they are needed...what a joke this guy is.

The worth of the IQD will rise when the troops pull out or as they continue to stay, or what?

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Post by TerryTate on Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:33 pm

Stability will be one of the factors leading to an increase in the value of the dinar. The troops pulling due to conditions on the ground would be a sign of stability. Pulling out due to a whim does not lend itself to the idea of stability. Once stability is achieved the rise in the dinar would, in my opinion, be inevitable...

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Post by Ialdoboath on Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:13 pm

That's because the left consider things before they step, while the right just leap in with no thought to the consequences.


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Post by TerryTate on Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:31 pm

Ialdoboath wrote:That's because the left consider things before they step, while the right just leap in with no thought to the consequences.


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You see, the differance between the right and the the left is that the right is always one step ahead of the left. Razz

Uh ya. That makes a lot of sense as it belies the word conservatism. Keep on telling yourself that, maybe one day it will be true... Rolling Eyes

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Post by Ialdoboath on Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:55 pm

Us evil leftists are always accused of being over-educated, book people who learn way too much instead of just shooting. Seems to me the conservatives have a lock on the idea of being impetuous, quick to respond, and leaping in without forethought or, you know, an exit strategy.


TerryTate wrote: Uh ya. That makes a lot of sense as it belies the word conservatism. Keep on telling yourself that, maybe one day it will be true... Rolling Eyes

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Post by slxvester on Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:30 pm

Maliki has long shown impatience with the open-ended presence of US troops in Iraq. In his conversation with SPIEGEL, he was once again candid about his frustration over the Bush administration's hesitancy about agreeing to a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops. But he did say he was optimistic that such a schedule would be drawn up before Bush leaves the White House next January

Why can't certain conditions be met before we leave? Let's just pull out next tuesday, and by the way, who ever has their sovereignty give it back to Iraq because they miss it. Razz

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Post by Radioactive_Kitty on Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:57 pm

Sorry but that's not true....

Date: July 20, 2008

Skinner: Mr. Maliki's statements to the German magazine Der Spiegel have been misunderstood

Announced the official spokesman for the Iraqi government Dr. Ali Skinner that Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki confirmed that his statements to German magazine Der Spiegel have been misunderstood and had not been translated transfer minutes on the vision of Senator Barack Obama presidential candidate for a U.S. withdrawal U.S. forces from Iraq.

Skinner explained that Mr. al-Maliki confirmed the existence of an Iraqi vision stems from the reality of Iraq need security, as the positive developments of the security situation and the improvement seen in Iraqi cities makes the subject of withdrawal of U.S. forces within prospects and timetables agreed upon and in the light of the continuing positive developments on the ground and security that came within Strategic Plan for Cooperation and developed by Mr. Maliki and President George Bush and the Iraqi government appreciates and values the efforts of all the friends who continue to support and supporting Iraqi security forces.

Skinner emphasized that statements by the Prime Minister or any of the members of the Iraqi government should not be understood as endorsing any candidates from the American presidency.


http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http://nahrain.com/news.php?readmore=17839&usg=ALkJrhjVejMAi1AGvFeL-LozxeBR0NKWyA

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Post by slxvester on Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:17 pm

Radioactive_Kitty wrote:Sorry but that's not true....

Date: July 20, 2008

Skinner: Mr. Maliki's statements to the German magazine Der Spiegel have been misunderstood

Announced the official spokesman for the Iraqi government Dr. Ali Skinner that Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki confirmed that his statements to German magazine Der Spiegel have been misunderstood and had not been translated transfer minutes on the vision of Senator Barack Obama presidential candidate for a U.S. withdrawal U.S. forces from Iraq.

Skinner explained that Mr. al-Maliki confirmed the existence of an Iraqi vision stems from the reality of Iraq need security, as the positive developments of the security situation and the improvement seen in Iraqi cities makes the subject of withdrawal of U.S. forces within prospects and timetables agreed upon and in the light of the continuing positive developments on the ground and security that came within Strategic Plan for Cooperation and developed by Mr. Maliki and President George Bush and the Iraqi government appreciates and values the efforts of all the friends who continue to support and supporting Iraqi security forces.

Skinner emphasized that statements by the Prime Minister or any of the members of the Iraqi government should not be understood as endorsing any candidates from the American presidency.


http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http://nahrain.com/news.php?readmore=17839&usg=ALkJrhjVejMAi1AGvFeL-LozxeBR0NKWyA[/quote]Well, he said ,within prospects and timetables agreed upon. Hope prospects means conditions met. Good Post

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Post by Lofson on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:46 am

Radioactive_Kitty wrote:Sorry but that's not true....

Date: July 20, 2008

Skinner: Mr. Maliki's statements to the German magazine Der Spiegel have been misunderstood
(...)
Skinner emphasized that statements by the Prime Minister or any of the members of the Iraqi government should not be understood as endorsing any candidates from the American presidency.

Der Spiegel apparently does not agree:

MALIKI'S PRAISE FOR OBAMA

Iraqi Leader Stirs up US Campaign

Obama is pleased, but McCain certainly is not. In an interview with SPIEGEL, Iraqi Prime Minister al-Maliki expressed support for Obama's troop withdrawal plans. Despite a half-hearted retraction, the comments have stirred up the US presidential campaign. SPIEGEL stands by its version of the conversation.


Comments made by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki in an interview with SPIEGEL (more...) published on Saturday have stirred up the campaign teams of both Barack Obama and John McCain this weekend. And late on Saturday, Maliki tried to distance himself from the statements, saying his comments were misunderstood.

In the interview, Maliki expressed support of Obama's plan to withdraw US troops from Iraq within 16 months. "That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of changes."

Maliki was quick to back away from an outright endorsement of Obama, saying "who they choose as their president is the Americans' business." But he then went on to say: "But it's the business of Iraqis to say what they want. And that's where the people and the government are in general agreement: The tenure of the coalition troops in Iraq should be limited."

A Baghdad government spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, said in a statement that SPIEGEL had "misunderstood and mistranslated" the Iraqi prime minister, but didn't point to where the misunderstanding or mistranslation might have occurred. Al-Dabbagh said Maliki's comments "should not be understood as support to any US presidential candidates."

A number of media outlets likewise professed to being confused by the statement from Maliki's office. The New York Times pointed out that al-Dabbagh's statement "did not address a specific error." The influential blog IraqSlogger also pointed out the lack of specifics in the government statement. SPIEGEL sticks to its version of the conversation.

Maliki's comments immediately hit the headlines of US papers and Web sites across the country, partly the result of a White House employee inadvertently sending out a news alert to its full media distribution list. The White House said it was an error and that it was meant to be sent internally only.

The Obama campaign was quick to welcome Maliki's expression of support, with his top foreign policy advisor, Susan Rice, saying "Senator Obama welcomes Prime Minister Maliki's support for a 16 month timeline for the redeployment of US combat brigades. This presents an important opportunity to transition to Iraqi responsibility, while restoring our military and increasing our commitment to finish the fight in Afghanistan."

In an interview with SPIEGEL published this weekend (eds: full interview will be available in English on Monday), Rice said: "Obama's view is that circumstances in Pakistan and Afghanistan pose the most dangerous threat to Europe and to the US right now. Al-Qaida is regrouping and reconstituting their safe haven; the Taliban are gaining strength. Europe is closer to that threat than we are. Yet, we all have to take it very seriously. The US has to put more resources and troops into Afghanistan, and NATO should do the same, while, to the greatest extent possible, lifting operational restrictions."

Obama is in Afghanistan this weekend visiting US troops there and met with Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Sunday. He is expected to travel to Baghdad next for a brief visit before carrying on to Israel, Jordan, Germany, France and Great Britain later in the week. His exact schedule for his trips to Afghanistan and Iraq has been kept under wraps out of security concerns.

The campaign team of John McCain likewise responded to Maliki's comments on Saturday. A statement released by his head foreign policy director Randy Scheunemann blasted Obama for "ignoring the facts on the ground and ignoring the advice of our top military commanders." It also said that McCain and Maliki agree that any withdrawal must be based on the security situation in Iraq. "Prime Minister Maliki has repeatedly affirmed the same view, and did so again today."

Scheunemann also said: "The fundamental truth remains that Senator McCain was right about the surge and Senator Obama was wrong. We would not be in the position to discuss a responsible withdrawal today if Senator Obama's views had prevailed."

In an interview with SPIEGEL, which hit the newsstands this weekend, (eds: full interview will be available in English on Monday) Scheunemann said: "There is not a single European government that has endorsed an artificial timeline for US withdrawal from Iraq. They understand the consequences of a complete withdrawal from Iraq would be disastrous -- and that our current Iraq strategy is succeeding."

When asked by SPIEGEL about the reasons for the improved security situation in Iraq, Maliki said: "There are many factors, but I see them in the following order. First, there is the political rapprochement we have managed to achieve in central Iraq. This has enabled us, above all, to pull the plug on al-Qaida. Second, there is the progress being made by our security forces. Third, there is the deep sense of abhorrence with which the population has reacted to the atrocities of al-Qaida and the militias. Finally, of course, there is the economic recovery."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,566914,00.html

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Post by BELIEVING IN FAITH on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:59 am

THEY HAVE ELECTIONS SOON, WE HAVE ELECTIONS SOON. TWO NEW PEOPLE AT POWER, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT CAN HAPPEN AFTER THAT HAPPENS, DIFFERENT MEN WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS, THEREFORE THEY HAVE TO ACT NOW!!!!!!! RV!!!!!!!!

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